The Vaccination Debate
Due to the recent influx of articles and passionate debate on childhood vaccinations, we thought that it was important to write a post and open up a forum for discussion. The letter we are about to present was written by pediatrician Jay Gordon, MD, FAAP.
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An Open Letter on Vaccinations by Dr. Jay Gordon
I don’t give a lot of vaccines.
I still give DPT vaccinations to some children, chicken pox shots to kids who haven’t been able to acquire natural immunity by age ten years or so, and I give polio vaccines very infrequently. The polio vaccines are given for what I call “emotional” reasons because my exposition of the “numbers” (2000 cases of polio out of six or seven billion people) doesn’t counteract the very strong memory of a beloved aunt or uncle who had polio in fifties or sixties. And many parents feel much more comfortable traveling to India or parts of Africa with updated polio immunity for their children and themselves. By the way, 2007-2008 statistics don’t support that discomfort, but I don’t argue much.
In 2007, there were 1314 cases of polio on the planet and 127 of them were in “endemic” countries: 873 in India, 285 in Nigeria, 41 in the Congo, 32 in Pakistan and 17 in Afghanistan.
As of July 1, 2008, halfway through the year, we’re running a similar pace with 714 cases of polio reported worldwide. Nigeria has had 353 cases, India 287.
http://www.polioeradication.org/casecount.asp (World Health Organization Site)
In 1980 I abandoned the recommended vaccine schedule. I received dozens and dozens of phone calls from moms and dads reporting that their child had received shots a couple of days ago and they were acting “a little different.” They couldn’t quite put their finger on it but their child was just not acting quite the same as before I gave the shots. They’d ask if this was okay…was it normal? Initially, as I was trained to do, I replied “yes.” After dozens and dozens and dozens of phone calls, I decided that I had better listen to these moms a lot more.
I stopped some vaccines. I delayed others.
No, I am not “anti-vaccination.”
I am aware of the public health implications of completely abandoning our current vaccine schedule, and I certainly don’t advocate that. What I really want is an honest discussion of the risks and benefits of each vaccine and combinations of vaccines for your child. Just your child. My experience is that many parents don’t have the opportunity to discuss these concepts and these details with their doctors.
Some vaccination problems are completely verifiable and a strategy of delaying vaccines is, in some small way, supported by this recent article:
Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma.
J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2008 Mar;121(3):626-31. Epub 2008 Jan 18.
When it comes to your children and vaccines, we can and must do better.
Your newborn receives a vaccine against a disease he can’t possibly contract in the he first year of life, hepatitis B, because our campaign to vaccinate high-risk groups failed. There has been a large decrease in the number of cases—and therefore serious complications—of hepatitis B since we started vaccinating newborns. But I still believe that the risks to each individual baby far outweigh the benefits in a family where mom’s Hep B status is known.
The combination of vaccines given at two months of age is not anywhere near as safe as it could if the vaccines were given separately, the aluminum were removed and if the vaccines were given at a later age.
Now, when you discuss this topic with your pediatrician, he or she will clobber my ideas and me. So be it. I have watched children getting or not getting vaccines for thirty years. I won’t publish my data because I have none suitable for “peer review.” I can tell you that my very strong impression is that children with the fewest vaccines, or no vaccines at all, get sick less frequently and are healthier in general. I truly believe they also develop less autism and other “persistent developmental delays.”
I know that children still get meningitis and they certainly can get whooping cough. (The past two years have been very “good” for pertussis: 156 cases thus far in California for the year and a total of 228 in all of 2007.) I have not seen bacterial meningitis in a child in at least twenty years although I did have an eighteen-year-old contract the disease a couple years ago. He did well and suffered no consequences. I believe we’ve reached a point where a discussion must include the risk of vaccinations because the diseases are so rare. These diseases did not diminish by “magic” but because vaccines do work. Public health is an important topic and ignoring that aspect of the discussion is irresponsible.
The rarity of the diseases against which we vaccinate has caused me to look much harder at the side effects of vaccines. In what other area of medicine do we deny side effects? If I have to give you antibiotics—amoxicillin—for a urinary tract infection, for instance, I feel almost apologetic about the rash you might get, the diarrhea and the yeast infections that every woman knows about. When we give six shots to your six-week-old daughter, we tell you that, amazingly, there are no side effects. We know you’ve heard about seizures, “collapse syndrome,” autism and more, but these are all coincidences. I think that even doctors are having trouble believing that. Dr. Bernadine Healy was the director of the National Institutes of Health and is still a member of the august Institute of Medicine. Her article is worth reading. She is very unhappy with the government’s and the medical establishment’s decision to stop looking at the connection between vaccines and autism.
http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/brain-and-behavior/2008/04/10/fighting-the-autism-vaccine-war.html
In what other area of medicine does a 180-pound man and a twelve-pound baby get the same dose of a medication, the polio vaccine, for example? Please read Dr. Bob Sears excellent article about aluminum in vaccines. There’s far, far too much and it’s a known neurotoxin.
http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/vaccines/aluminum-new-thimerosal.html
Mercury has not been removed from all vaccines. Most flu shots still contain 25 micrograms of mercury as do the tetanus boosters. This represents 30-60% of the dose a baby or child would have gotten in the “bad old days” and completely invalidates the argument that “we’ve gotten thimerosal out of shots and autism has not gone down.”
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.html
We must respect pregnant women who may be exposed to toxins in their food, cosmetics, flu shots, and more. We must respect babies whose immune systems should be left quiescent and natural for as long as possible so that they can develop and defend themselves. We must respect our children who should not be exposed to more environmental toxins including those in our air, our vaccines, and our water.
The Government has quietly settled over two billion dollars in vaccine injury claims and is now fighting what will be a losing battle against 5000 families who claim that the FDA and the CDC did not protect their children against doses of mercury sufficient to cause harm.
The CDC says that one out of five children have learning disabilities. I do not know why we have so many injured children now.
Let me say it again: I am not anti-vaccination.
I am proud to be going to Africa at the end of September to bring 5 million Tetanus shots to the Ivory Coast. In Africa, over 100,000 children die each year from neonatal tetanus. (In America, we average 35-40 cases per year, and the average age is sixty-one years old—a collection of older guys who probably shouldn’t be wandering around a construction site barefooted anyway!)
There are so many facets to this discussion, and they’re all important enough to merit attention from doctors, politicians, and all of us. What has led to this incredible increase in autism, ADD, Childhood and ADOL Depression, and learning disabilities, and how do we stop and reverse the trend? We need more funding and more respect for children and families. The debate over vaccines needs to move over and make way for the real research and work to begin.
Jay Gordon, MD, FAAP
7/20/2008
July 29th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you…
July 30th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
This is an important article. Thanks - from parents who do drag their kids around the world. These are some very serious issues to weigh out.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Amazing article!!!
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 pm
this article is very interesting. We need to green our vaccines there is no doubt about that, and I was glad to hear him bring up the pointless and very damaging hepB shot that is given in hospitals within hours of most births! I need to find a Doctor like this for my kids, everytime I go in for a well baby visit they push the shot’s! I so sick of being made to feel like a bad mum because I don’t vaccinate my children. I don’t know what causes autism, but something I do know is that my older son had the hepB shot at birth and now has autism, my younger son has never had a vaccine and is talking at 10 months! Some children are surely predisposed to adverse side effects to the toxins and heavey metals in those shots…I just wish I could go back and stop them from every injecting my sweet baby with poisin. Now I understand what a blessing the bodies natural defences can be when allowed to develop. Amanda Peet would feel differantly if Autism affected someone close to her, she would understand why parents regret the shots and protect siblings from them….I was so sad to read he say the ignorant things she said, she could help and instead she uses her starpower to hurt…
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
GREEN OUR VACCINES!
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:30 am
I think Amanda Peet did a good thing by talking about Vaccinations in Cookie. She has certainly opened up a much needed disscusion on this issue! When is the right time to vaccinate…should we vaccinate at all? These are important questions, i feel, each parent should answer for themselves. The more informed we are the better. I wonder if greening our vaccinations is really the thing to do. Does anyone know of where to find more information on green vaccines? Is it better to not vaccinate at all?
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Inspirational and wonderful!! Thank you, Dr. Gordon! I too wish I could find a doctor like you. Thanks to Little Seed for sharing.
August 6th, 2008 at 9:05 am
A brilliant letter, one I will be copying and pasting to everyone I know. My husband and I are lucky to work with a pediatrician who, by all accounts is very supportive of our delayed vaccination schedule for our son. The office has “single” poke vaccines for every vaccine, except for the MMR, however, parents have located a pharmacy in NJ that sells the MMR in single doses as well. A Measles shot, a mumps shot, and a Ruebella shot. Our son is 6 months old and is not yet vaccinated. Perhaps we will vaccinate against certain diseases next year when we go to Asia for a trip. I think it is important that we, as parents, do the research. Like the Dr. Gordon I am not anti-vaccination, but I feel they need to be “cleaned-up.”
August 6th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
As a parent of two young children, I can’t help but feel like it’s a catch 22 sitation. I also speculate, if there were definite links between vaccinations and autism, how much information would even be released due to the uproar it would cause. I just try to be as educated as possible and pray for the health of my little ones.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Thanks for posting this. I’ve followed Jenny McCarthy’s quest to Green our Vaccines. She’s awesome. I was disappointed in Cookie’s article. Not because it was so “pro-vaccine”, but because it was not pro-choice. We are the parents and it should be our decision. My husband was researching vaccine’s over a year before I got pregnant with our son. Evidence of Harm is a great book - as is Dr. Stephanie Cave’s vaccine book. We are not anti-vaccine - we are anti-recommended schedule. We have declined the HepB shot in the hospital (which was followed by a lecture and disapproving looks) and ended up changing pediatricians at 6 months (from a highly regarded pedi - author of a very popular book) because she did not support our decisions to delay/skip certain shots. I’m pleased to say that Hudson has been 20x’s healthier than most of our friends kids who vax’d from day one. Maybe we’re just lucky? Our current pediatrician isn’t happy with our choices, but she doesn’t give us too hard of a time. I wish we had a pedi like Dr. Gordon! My life would be so much easier! Thanks for opening up this topic. It’s so important to encourage parents to READ and RESEARCH on your own. You are your child’s best advocate.
August 17th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
This discussion is very close to my heart. I wanted to point something out that many people do not think about when they consider the HepB vaccination. There are MANY people who are adopting HepB children internationally. That vaccine (which if given at birth could have prevented the illness in the child of a positive mother-it’s 95% effective) helps to protect your children against any exposure they may have to these positive children.
We adopted a child from a 3rd world country. The baby tested negative for the disease and it was only after getting back in the US that we found out our child has Hep.B. I can tell you this happens way more often than people are aware of. As a parent of a HBV child we worry more about YOUR children than you can even imagine. The only solice we have in all of this is that HepB vaccinations are routine now. My child is a toddler and luckily there has never been an accident involving blood yet. I can teach my child to practice universal precautions (at an approp. age), but I can’t prevent every bloody nose or another child biting my child etc…
I am not pro-vaccines. I have the same fears about autism as most parents these days. But I do hate to see people not vaccinating their children against Hep B- you will never know if a child/person has this disease and it’s an added protection to your child. Even if you don’t vaccinate at birth, I urge people to reconsider not getting this vaccination at all.
August 18th, 2008 at 1:53 am
Dr. Jay, you wrote:
“I don’t give a lot of vaccines.
I still give DPT vaccinations to some children, chicken pox shots to kid who haven’t been able to acquire natural immunity by age ten years or so and I give polio vaccines very infrequently.”
So you let many of the infants in your practice run the risk of acquiring pertussis and tetanus that children in the US have contracted from insect bites? A case of an unvaccinated American three year old (parents had religious objections) getting tetanus (landing in the hospital was on a ventilator for nine days, 24 days total in the hospital) was reported in Pediatrics in 2002. Maybe you’ve heard of that journal? There’s no reason to think a newborn couldn’t have been bit by a similar biting insect. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Neonatal_tetanus_6374.jpg Do you encourage parents in your practice to be re-vaccinated against pertussis before becoming pregnant so they won’t be coughing on their own baby and spreading pertussis should the mother catch it?
[snip]
“I am aware of the public health implications of completely abandoning our current vaccine schedule, and I certainly don’t advocate that. What I really
want is an honest discussion of the risks and benefits of each vaccine and combinations of vaccines for your child. Just your child.”
I don’t think you are aware of the dangers of encouraging people to blindly fear vaccines, Dr. Gordon. You don’t know when someone whose child has not been vaccinated at your recommendation will run into a child with polio. Maybe in Soleil Moon’s little diaper changing station? And even if the moms in your practice want to hold all-natural polio parties and diphtheria parties to gain “natural” immunity to those diseases, the devil take the immune-compromised people they infect, is that it?
How about the measles outbreak in San Diego? It was sparked by an
unvaccinated 7 year old child who acquired the disease in Switzerland,
who infected two infants too young to be vaccinated. The infants both
acquired the highly-contagious disease by being at the Children’s
Clinic in La Jolla at the same time as the virus-shedding 7-year-old.
One infant (the 10 month old) was hospitalized. The other infant
traveled to Hawaii on February 9 with its parents (exposing hundreds
of people on the airplane) before being diagnosed and quarantined in
Hawaii.
The 10-month-old attended Baldwin Academy; the infants’ program is
closed until February 26, and others at Baldwin Academy who are not
vaccinated must also stay at home until February 26.
UPI reported that up to 50 children are quarantined, including the
Baldwin Academy students, the SDCC students, and unvaccinated students
at the Murray Callan Swim School (which has classes for infants as
young as three months).
Dr. Gordon — how do you feel about the illnesses anti-vaccine
activism caused? How about the financial hardship for parents whose
children are excluded from school? If I were a parent in the infant
program at the Baldwin Academy, I’d be furious. I am sure that the
Baldwin Academy isn’t rebating tuition for the weeks the infant
program is closed — the parents of those infants are either suffering
financial loss by staying home from work, or paying double for child
care.
[snip]
“The combination of vaccines given at two months of age is not anywhere near
as safe as it could if the vaccines were given separately, the aluminum were
removed and if the vaccines were given at a later age.”
That’s fear-mongering, Dr. Gordon. Have any facts to go along
with those assertions?
“I believe we’ve reached a point where a discussion must include the risk of vaccinations because the diseases are so rare. These diseases did not diminish by “magic” but because vaccines do work. Public health is an important topic and ignoring that aspect of the discussion is irresponsible.”
The logical discontinuities in your statement, Dr Gordon, make my head spin:
“The diseases are rare because vaccines work, so we should discontinue or severely curtail vaccinating (as I do in my practice), and should continue
to do so until we can make vaccines safer.”
[snip]
“The CDC says that one out of five children have learning disabilities. I do
not know why we have so many injured children now.”
More nice fear-mongering.
“Let me say it again: I am not anti-vaccination.”
You are anti-public health and you are illogical and unscientific. Besides that, in my opinion you are a public-health menace.
August 18th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Thank you, Dr. Gordon! I think this discussion and topic really needs to be examined further and much more closely than the few major articles I’ve seen. My biggest question is, why the **** is mercury in our vaccines at all? Why was it EVER? It’s not like we just figured out it’s toxic! Not that mercury is the only toxin that’s worrying…I guess that could go for many things. The toxins in our food, our air, our clothes, makeup, etc. Anyway, thanks for keeping the debate alive!
August 18th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Dr. Gordon wrote:
“The combination of vaccines given at two months of age is not anywhere near as safe as it could if the vaccines were given separately,”
The “two months” vaccines are immunization against Rotavirus, the first diptheria/tetanus/Pertussis vaccine (DTaP), Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate vaccine), Pneumococcal vaccine, and Inactivated Poliovirus.
Why are they “unsafe” to give together? What is the evidence?
Which vaccines should be delayed? Why? What evidence is there that (for example) DTaP is unsafe?
If the vaccinations recommended at two months were delayed, the child would be “at risk” for a longer period of time — particularly concerning in the case of pertussis, rotavirus, Hib, and the pneumococcal vaccine.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Amen and thank you! I wish more doctors had your thinking and remembered that Moms are juat doing what we need to for our children.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:26 am
We can’t sit around and let the FDA and CDC be responsible for us and our children’s health and well being. Because you know they have Mr. Pharmaceutical Company knocking on their doors and money is their CEO. You have to use your own judgment do what you feel is right. You have to find a doctor that will listen to you and talk to you about your concerns. Another thing is why did a couple of the replys get so irrate. You say Dr. Gordon was “fear mongering” ~ obviously parents have sought him out for a long time. You have sent the message across that if you don’t think like me I’m going to call you names and get angry. I think much more research is needed on the whole issue of moderen day medications and the amounts that are prescribed on a daily basis.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:22 am
I became aware about the possible drawbacks to vaccinations early on.A friend of mine, whose son is 6 months older than my daughter, very suddenly came down with what turned out to be leukemia after having three shots in one day. They went through hell, and her son survived after a stem cell transplant, but that was the canary in the coal mine for me.
Then I started reading articles on vaccinations in Mothering magazine. They talked about what vaccinations start out as (disgusting), and some of the life-altering side effects that the CDC downplays.
I also find it interesting that the CDC and the school districts, along with the medical establishment keep very quiet about your right NOT to vaccinate. They don’t want the public to know that they have the option NOT to vaccinate. Most people I know pick and choose what vaccines they are willing to administer to their children.
I have doubts that the vaccine for meningitis is necessary for all children when the occurrence of it in the population is SO rare. And my perspective is coming from someone whose cousin actually had it(and luckily survived). I also think they have not done enough testing on the HPV shot for girls, and until they do, my daughter is not having it.
My feelings were confirmed about vaccinations when my daughter had her last round, and promptly had a hugely swollen and hot, red arm for what seemed a week, and then broke out in a rash on only that side of her face.
All I am saying is be judicious about which vaccinations you allow to be administered to your child.
September 4th, 2008 at 8:53 am
I am learning more and more about the debate of whether to vaccinate or not. I may be a little biased and I am trying to change that. I however work in Childrens at Egleston in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit. I understand the statistics and that most of the diseases that the vaccinations had almost irradicated are rare in children. I suppose it is because we are one of the top pediatric hospitals in the US and have the highest acuity patients. This spring, I have seen four children die horrific deaths because they were too young to make the choice to be vaccinated. I watched babies on ECMO with Epinephrine drips causing their fingers and toes to become necrotic and by the time these children died, little limbs falling off. I don’t think that anyone should see that kind of pain and suffering. What makes it all the more tragic is that these children were beautiful healthy children before being exposed to Pertussis. I think what makes most of us health care workers so bitter, is that these weren’t children whose parents refused the immunizations for them. At least those parents would know they made that decision knowing the risks for their children. These children were ones that came into a doctor’s office to for their newborn check ups, for bilirubin levels, weight checks, etc. They were exsposed by the very children whose parents chose not to vaccinate their own children. I wish that before a parent made this important decision that they could spend a day in the Pediatric ICU with these babies with these “rare” diseases, but then again, I’m sure a many of them will be spending time in the PICU.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Soleil, thank you for posting this. I will not vaccinate my future child. Most of these diseases are either rare or mild, i.e.,chickenpox, measles. The severe cases occur in children who are not healthy and probably not breastfed. (If you want selfish, choosing not to breastfeed is very selfish.)We have separation of beliefs(or religion) and state, so we are just exercising our beliefs. It’s not my fault if your child is not healthy–don’t have a child if you are not 100% committed to the best.
October 1st, 2008 at 7:41 am
My son is 3 1/2 and was diagnosed with mild autism 3 months ago. There were signs of his autism from birth and early infancy that were dismissed by the pediatrician (I’ve since switched). I feel that in my son’s case, the vaccines were not the cause of his autism, however, I am very nervous about vaccinating my 13 month old, who is due to get his first MMR shot in November. I guess you could say I’m a bit gun shy. I am so confused by all of the information out there, and I constantly switch between giving him this shot, or not, or splitting it up.
Also too, regarding KATHERINE’s response of 9/6/08, how dare you say that choosing not to breastfeed is selfish !!! Since you mention your “future child”, I assume that you do not have any other children. Breastfeeding does not come naturally for mother and baby most times. It takes a lot of work and sometimes there are legitimate reasons for not breastfeeding. I am committed 100% to providing the best for my children, and only I know what is best, not someone like you standing on your soapbox and shaming all of the moms that did not/could not breastfeed. And by the way, my son who has autism, was breastfed….so take that !!!
October 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Here’s my 2 cents as a scientist:
I think it is very important to remember why we have vaccines. They keep us from contracting terrible diseases. And is is a fact that as individuals choose, more often, to not vaccinate, the occurrances of these rarer, very terrible diseases are increasing slowly in our polulation in first world countries. The doctor who wrote this infromative article was trying to be unbiased, but he stated that diseases like polio and measles were low in occurance - but I say we must realise that they are still occurring. Your children can still be at risk - if YOU were unknowingly exposed to a disease/toxin you would be angry would you not? If this were a vaccination to something more prevalent or common like SARS would you think differntly? Just because we no longer come from a generation where Polio and measles cripple or kill people we know, we cannot deny the purpose of vaccinations. They keep us healthy.
It is a fact that the link touted between certain vaccinations and autism was eventually stated to be a hoax by the person who first started the debate. It was proven flase and was based on faulty, biased data. If there is a link between this, studies MUST be done. I call upon health workers with suspicions to gather data. Publish fact. I want to know the truth. If there is a risk tell us. Tell us so vaccines can be greened up and made safer. Let us make informed decisions. Don’t just put up our hands and shrug, forcing mothers to decide.
Every individual has a unique immune system and we will react to different medications in different ways. There are many toxins in our environment, food and life that contribute to the changes in the levels of autism and other diseases in our current population. I do not feel that vaccinations should be singled out as a problem, altho there may be a correlation. The fact is we don’t know yet in a lot of cases. I have not yet been lucky enough to have a child but when I do I will seek out clean, low dose vaccinations to keep my child safe from these diseases, just as I make sure that my family and I have our vaccinations kept up to date. Until someone can show me data that states otherwise, I feel the possible risk is worth the protection they provide.
Yes, vaccines should be cleaned up and have toxic additives removed. But I must say - they are not poison. The reason diseases like polio and measles are more rare now is due to stringent vaccination programs. You have to ask yourself - are you willing to let your child suffer these diseases when you can prevent them? Like you should for any medication you are prescribed, read up on the literature and make an INFORMED choice. Seek alternatives. Your children look to you to make an informed decision, not a gut instinct one based on emotion and fear.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I apologise for my terrible typing. I hope my thoughts were understandable.
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November 26th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
OK, JENNY MCCARTHY IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT AGAINST VACCINES. SHE IS JUST WANTING TO SEE THEM CLEANED UP. UNITL THEN, SPACE OUT THE SHOTS. THERE ARE MANY KNOWN TOXINS, NOT JUST ONE INGREDIENT THAT CAN NOT EXIT THE BODY AND DO DAMAGE TO THE BRAIN AND NEUROLOGICAL SYSTEM. JENNY IS NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT EVERY CHILD WILL GET AUTISM FROM VACCINES… SHE IS SIMPLY STATING THAT FOR THOSE VERY YOUNG CHILDREN WHO MAY HAVE UNRECOGNISED WEAKENED IMMUNE SYSTEMS OR THEIR GENETIC MAKEUP CANNOT WITHSTAND THE VAST OF VACCINES, THEY NEED TO BE GENTLER, CLEANER, GREENING OF VACCINES. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!!! WHEN WE HAVE TO TAKE A MEDICATION FOR AN ILLNESS, DO WE ALL TAKE THE SAME MEDICINE? THE SAME DOSE? THE ANSWER IS NO. AMANDA, I KNOW YOU MEAN WELL, BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW UNTIL IT AFFECTS YOUR CHILD. THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF US, THAT OUR CHILDREN COULD NOT STAND UP TO THE TOXICITY. WE DO NOT DISCOURAGE, WE WANT THOSE CHILDREN TO BE PROTECTED, NOT HARMED. WE HAVE NO WAY OF TELLING IF OUR CHILD IS IN ONE OF THE THOUSANDS THAT IS VULNERABLE UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE. THERE IS NO TEST TO DETECT. YOU CANNOT TAKE JENNY’S WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT. SHE NEVER SAYS “CURE” SHE SAYS RECOVER. SHE NEVER SAYS SHE IS “ANTI-VACCINE”, SHE IS FOR GREENING OUR VACCINES. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN WHO HAVE NOT BEEN PERSONALLY TOUCHED BY AUTISM (THEIR OWN CHILD), THEY ARE OUR PROOF. IT IS SOOOOOOOOO EASY FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT SEEN THEIR OWN CHILD DETERIORATE AFTER RECEIVING A VACCINE TO LISTEN TO HEAR-SAY AND PLACE JUDGEMENT OR COMMENTS ON A TOPIC THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
SINCERELY,
SHAUNA-FOUNDER
TOGETHER IN AUTISM
http://WWW.TOGETHERINAUTISM.ORG
January 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
BACKGROUND: This study began as a “wild idea” that vaccinations or medicine could be causing peanut allergy. It soon turned into a horrible realization. A very small amount of food proteins from many sources are considered inert ingredients that fall under trade secret protection and are not on the vaccine inserts. Various studies have shown that injecting an animal with protein is one method of inducing an allergy. Every study done of food allergy that could be located does not disprove this theory. There was a study done on Indonesian and Thai children that has been frequently quoted as saying that there are no peanut allergies in Thailand or Singapore in spite of the high consumption of peanuts. Evidence was presented that Singapore has a major problem with peanut allergy. The study itself says that many children reacted to peanuts in a skin prick test and that it eliminated a number of children from the study. The “hygiene theory” was examined and found to have no merit. Evidence of a long list of food protein that can be used in vaccine production has been found in various patents on-line. The increased childhood vaccination schedule coincides with the increase in food allergies in industrialized nations. The lower incidence of food allergies in less industrialized nations also coincides with a lower vaccination rate. The lower incidence of food allergies in the Hispanic population of the United States also coincides with a lower vaccination rate. The evidence of food allergy in animals has only been found in vaccinated animals. Evidence of ingredients that can be one of the patented adjuvants with various food oils has been presented. Evidence that “pharmacy grade” peanut oil still contains peanut protein has been presented. Package inserts have been examined and found to have ingredients that do not disclose its actual composition. EVERY SINGLE FOOD ALLERGY THAT I HAVE FOUND, I HAVE ALSO FOUND THAT FOOD LISTED AS AN INGREDIENT IN A VACCINE OR MEDICAL PRODUCT.
Please share this information with everyone you know. It will only get around by a grassroots effort.
Thanks.
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February 19th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
A well-balanced and thoughtful article indeed! It’s great when someone can be level-headed about this topic. However, I take issue with one statement made:
“These diseases did not diminish by “magic” but because vaccines do work.”
Sadly, there is little evidence that this is true. Additionally, there is just as much, if not more, evidence that this is false.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Also, while not mentioned in this article, I take GREAT issue with the contention that unvaccinated individuals pose a risk to vaccinated individuals. Think about it: If the vaccines are TRULY effective, then it absolutely does NOT matter, to the vaccinated individual, how many unvaccinated individuals he/she may come in contact, because he/she is protected from the illness taking hold in his/her own body. Now, OTOH, if the vaccines are actually ineffective (which I believe to be true), then it absolutely BEGS the question: Why bother with vaccines in the first place?
March 16th, 2009 at 3:07 am
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March 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 am
Was checking out your blog archives and came across this article. Thank you! I loved reading it. I am a Non Vaxer but I totally agree that we need to GREEN our VACCINES! Maybe then I wouldn’t be so against them!
March 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Thank you so much for the information. My husband and I are planning to start having children soon and have been discussing this subject. My question is for those who post pone vaccinations or spread them out, at what age do you begin? My biggest concern is for when my children start school or other social activities with other children. If those children have been traveling or exposed and are immuned they will be carriers and might pass the disease on. I definitely agree that babies are too young to deal with the substances that these vaccines put into their systems but at what age is it a good time?
Also, many people here have mentioned that they wish they could find a pediatrician like Dr. Jay or do have one. Does anyone know of a place where these wonderful doctors are listed? What a great resource if everyone listed their doctors that they were comfortable with and did not feel they were being chastised for their choices.
September 15th, 2009 at 8:12 am
I have always been a huge supporter of vaccination. I have my bachelor’s in biology and I’ve seen so many diseases completely wiped out due to the use of vaccinations, but I was writing a graduate paper on emerging diseases and immunization. There was something I remember hearing about immunization in school, but there is a complete lack of concrete information on the subject of immunizations out there. Anything negative. I don’t understand how I can make a concrete argument on the subject of immunizations if I cannot present both ends of the argument. Help!
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January 5th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Thank you for this! It was extremely well written and hit all the points I try to use in defense of our decision not to vax our two girls at this time. The current vaccination schedule is a nightmare. Fighting against the mainstream is always a very difficult uphill battle, but with informative pieces such as this, it makes the fight a little easier.
January 16th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Интересный пост, спасибо вам. Интересует только вопрос - будет ли продолжение?